NEW YORK | 85 Jay Street | 282 FT | 21 FLOORS



is that the redesign?

why are developers allowed to engage in this bait and switch bullshit?
in any other industry people would be screaming bloody murder,

I mean, just so I get this straight. They enter into a competition. Show a bunch of beautiful render, promise the community the world, probably secure some kind of financing, generate interest from buyers if not concrete sales and then 3 years into development there’s a quiet redesign…and we end up the Hudson Yards or the WTC…mere shadows of their extravagant proposals


Brilliant assessment; and sad but true. The thing is, everyone other than architecture forum member(regulars) and industry insiders, are not paying much attention: so the scoundrels know they can get away with this “bait and switch BS”. I am aware, but not outraged: as the saying goes - ‘not my monkeys, not my circus’.


I trust in Morris Adjmi, who is one of my favorite architects working in the city today. I can’t think of one clunker he’s designed here, although admittedly I might be forgetting one! In any case, I expect this to be very nice – in the elegantly understated style Mr. Adjmi does so well.


I’m not sure this is an intentional bait and switch with any malice in it. The earlier blocky Lego design was Handel I think (although it looked more like an ODA). The developer then switched to Morris Adjmi. Hence the design changed. I’ll take more Adjmi buildings in NYC above most other architects. I think this new design will be great.

I also noticed that the slightly older Adjmi design had some structural elements on top to make it appear more boxy but now it seems they are gone up on the top levels which looks even better now.


282 s 5th in Williamsburg is probably my least favorite of his in NYC. It is just average (for Morris) I can see some elements there going into 85 Jay St but hopefully this project will turn out much nicer in the end.


Well I understand that this particular situation is different since we only have one developer here and they own the land so are free to do whatever they wish. If the buyers don’t object, I mean, who cares. I certainly would. (This leads to another interesting question: could you void a contract if you bought an apartment based on renders but the design is subsequently drastically value engineered?)

Nevertheless, I was taking this opportunity to pose a general question about bigger developments where the city is asking developers to enter into a competition and the trend that I’ve noticed at least since the WTC. Though the perfect example of this would have to be the Hudson Yards.


This is the opposite of a bait and switch. More like an upgrade from the awful and ubiquitous ODA.

Having said that 11 North Moore is Adjmi’s clunker.


This looks like the same design posted here in Nov.


Work Making Quick Headway For Full-Block 85 Jay Street In DUMBO, Brooklyn

The massive rectangular-shaped project taking up a full block at 85 Jay Street has officially been dubbed “Front and York,” and today YIMBY has a full update on site progress. Bound by Front Street and York Street in DUMBO, Brooklyn, the 1.1 million square foot residential complex will soon sprout from what was one of the neighborhood’s last and largest undeveloped lots. The new building, with retail shops on the ground floor and a mixture of condominiums and rentals above, is designed by Morris Adjmi Architects, and is being developed by CIM Group and LIVWRK.

A recent look at the site shows work is in progress on all parts of the foundation, with rebar set in place for future reinforced concrete columns and core walls. Sections of the concrete facade have commenced on all sides. Excavation is basically complete, with the exception of the dirt ramp that lets construction crews and equipment reach the base from street level.

When completed, the complex will first make way for a nine-story podium, followed by two offset, twelve-story towers at opposite diagonal corners of Front and York. Other than its relatively tall height above the neighborhood, the signature look that will make the building stand out are the arched windows at ground level on all sides. This exterior architectural feature will be further enhanced by extra wide sidewalks lined with new trees along the perimeter. The closest subway is the F line at the York Street subway station just across the street to the south.

Sales of the residences are expected to launch in 2019, with units spanning from one- to four-bedrooms. Amenities include a swimming pool on the rooftop deck, private underground parking space, and a large private park designed by Michael Van Valkenburgh Associates.