NEW YORK | 3 World Trade Center | 1,079 FT | 68 FLOORS

#1802

I concur! 4 WTC is a popular tower so I’m sure the two floors HRT leave behind will fill relatively quick. Hopefully we’re getting closer to Tower 2 going up…

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#1803

Damn. Larry is on a leasing streak this week at 3 WTC. Gives me a smidgen of hope that 2 WTC is somewhere on the horizon…


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#1804

what’s great is that 3 WTC will now have tenants in all portions of the tower - bottom, middle and top. Good riddance to some of that construction lighting.

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#1805

Love how the office lighting looks at the bottom of 3 here. Imagine when this entire building is filled up.

Edit: just noticed 4 WTC taking on some cross bracing from 3 in its facade reflection. :clap:

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#1806

Beautiful!

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#1807

The sidewalk is open now on Church St, and the full walkway between 3 and 4, which is quite lovely.

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#1808

The base looks really good. I think the architects for 3 and 4 have done a good job with its street presence.

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#1809

I really hope that 2 WTC gets a tenant this year.

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#1810

Some cool pictures of GroupM’s offices:

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#1811

Nice!

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#1812

Great to see a company really “settling” into the space by investing heavily in the build out of their floors.

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#1813

Man…Larry is on a role at Tower 3! Landing another new tenant. 2 WTC…where are you?!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2019-02-01/al-gore-backed-tech-startup-takes-space-at-3-world-trade-center

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#1815

At this point how can Larry not build 2 WTC on spec? 3 WTC is more than halfway full only 9 months after opening…looking like it can be completely leased within the next year. 4 WTC is fully leased as is 7 WTC with the exception of a floor or two I believe. Building Tower 2 ASAP is the only logical next step.

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#1816

Because on spec would require at LEAST 4 billion in cash or collateral and very few developers in the entire country have that kind of liquidity

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#1817

At this point he needs to figure it out. The tower should have risen years ago and its absurd to have 2 WTC still at ground level after being destroyed almost 18 years ago. All the excuses are moot at this point.

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#1818

The valid excuse is that Hudson Yards came along: Without HY, WTC would have been built out and full already. Instead HY ended up being the release valve for midtown and creating its own demand.

Peripheral HY properties like 441 9th ave are also filling up fast. The sad truth is that given the choice companies mostly pick HY over downtown meaning 3 Hudson Boulevard will likely rise before 2 WTC.

There is surprisingly strong demand for new space. A Hedge Fund like Citadel would be big enough to anchor any new tower they chose. The old east side towers losing big tenants will end up gobbled up by chase or wework spaces. I had thought oversupply would depress prices even if most vacant space was older.

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#1819

Many people on these forums share that opinion, but with all due respect I’d argue that it’s somewhat unrealistic and unsympathetic to the nature of real estate development.
This World Trade Center, unlike the last one, was not fully developed by the government. Instead, they left it to Larry to figure it out, with a plentiful but not nearly sufficient amount of emergency funding and port authority bonds. He had to turn over one of the buildings to Durst to even get the project on the road. In addition, the insurance companies robbed him of billions of dollars which could have funded most of 2WTC. Silverstein is a growing, but still intermediate sized developer who is running a private family company that cannot compete with massive corporations like Related at HY.

Silverstein is not gaining anything by waiting… there is no real motive and it’s his life’s goal to build tower 2. He’s doing the best he can and many excuses are valid, imho.

It’s not really his responsibility to rebuild, either: he’s already done a lot more than most developers would have in his place. He could have cut his losses and left after 9/11

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#1820

Its absolutely his responsibility to rebuild. He took over the lease of all buildings but 3 and 6 WTC prior to 9/11. He relinquished the rights to 1 and 5 WTC only when it was determined he couldn’t get all the buildings back up on his own. I understand there is a lot at stake, but its just absurd at this point. These buildings should have and could have all been done way before Hudson Yards or any of these new developments came along. The master plan was finalized in 2005. Maybe its my personal and emotional ties to the site but I just have no sympathy for any of the developers or the P.A. It should have been a top priority to get the Trade Center back up in full right away no matter what.

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#1821

It is his top priority.
The buildings he bought were outdated, class B+ office space which was stale and in need of revitalization. It was cheap.
The new World Trade Center is a luxuriously decadent campus, despite all the value engineering. Each building costs more than the entire old center put together. Just because he committed to the old center does not mean he has the kind of money for the new center, and the government didn’t do enough to help him. I feel like you’re not appreciating how much the finances matter when you put up buildings. There’s a difference between what someone should do and what someone can afford to do.

If they had aimed for cheaper quality, it could have been done in a few years, but then you’d be complaining about how cheap he is.

The fact he’s gotten three of those massive towers up already is a small miracle. He’s been using funds from his other properties to prop up the center as it continues to struggle to prominence, and his investments are finally starting to pay off. Give him more time and he will pull through.

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